Meyers plan making incremental progress

By Kathryn Reed

MEYERS – Passion for their community is one thing Meyers residents have in common. Oh, and most also think any future buildings should not be more than 35-feet tall.

What started Wednesday night as a meeting to address six issues turned into a 2½-hour opportunity for about a dozen of the more than 100 attendees to give their two cents about what they want this small enclave at the base of Echo Summit to be.

It all has to do with Meyers trying to create an area plan that will be the planning tool for the next 20 years. It will also be incorporated into the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency’s Regional Plan. That bi-state regulatory agency and the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors must each approve the plan.

Dave Reichel of the Meyers Community Advisory Council talks March 19 as fellow members John Garofalos, Rebecca Schwartz and Rene Brjec. Photo/LTN

Dave Reichel of the Meyers Community Advisory Council talks March 19 as fellow members John Garofalos, Rebecca Schwartz and Rene Brejc listen. Photo/LTN

The issues on the March 19 agenda included:

• Should there be an incentive program for developers

• Maximum height

• The number of hotels per acre and where those tourist accommodation units should be located

• The composition of the Meyers Community Advisory Council and how it is selected

• What to do with the Tveten property

• Promoting local businesses.

These subjects came about as the most pressing issues from the more than 100 comments submitted to the county since the Feb. 26 meeting.

By a show of hands people were overwhelmingly in favor of 35 feet being the basic height limit in the commercial and industrial areas.

But when it came to incentives for developers the audience was not as cohesive in its beliefs. However, most came around to believing there could be a time when fewer restrictions on height and density may be needed to attract the ideal business to Meyers. A recreation oriented business or broader tourist entity like a discovery museum had people getting on board with realizing that type of facility would need to be larger in size.

While “variances” was used, that word will have to change. This is because in TRPA’s world variances are not allowed.

And another reason to have “variances-incentives-exemptions” (call it what you will) in the area plan is because if they weren’t, the proposed project seeking the exemptions would have to do an environmental analysis. This is because it would in essence be changing the Regional Plan because the area plan becomes part of the Regional Plan.

County and TRPA reps will devise, again, verbiage for a potential incentive program and the potential types of development that could be allowed outside the 35-foot limit.

Who exactly would determine if the project were “right” for Meyers remains an unknown. But the masses leaned toward a more substantive Meyers Community Advisory Council (MCAC) that would be appointed by Meyers residents. But whether that is legally possible remains to be seen. It is not the common protocol. Nor would it be realistic for MCAC members to be elected because of the cost and time involved.

Normal procedure is for the Board of Supervisors to appoint people to advisory panels.

The goal, though, is this advisory body will be more formal. This includes being subject to state open meeting laws. It’s possible it could have a significant say in design review.

Ultimately, though, projects are the decision of the county and TRPA, depending on the size.

People seemed more amenable to hotels having fewer units per acre – more like 15 units per acre instead of 40.

What were lacking from the presentation were visual examples of buildings of certain heights as well as designs. At the Tahoe Valley Area Plan meeting for South Lake Tahoe last month photographs were shown depicting various types of alpine architecture at various heights, as well as density.

A comment form was passed out Wednesday night asking people their preference on the incentive program, height regulations, and hotel locations and density.

The verbal and written comments will be taken for a limited time that has yet to be determined. After that the county will come up with a final draft document that will be circulated. Then environmental paperwork will be created. Eventually this all goes for a vote before the governing bodies, with public comment taken at those meetings.

Meyers Area Plan documents and other information are on the county’s website. Comments may be emailed to [email protected]

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  1. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    The Meyers Community Meeting wasn’t about if people wanted this plan or not, it was about how high the buildings can be and how many people can be crammed in per acre. There was no discussion about alternative ideas like fixing and improving whats already there, or scrapping this whole plan and starting over. It was all about, and this was my take on the meeting,
    “here’s the plan, we’re moving forward with it and you folks are just along for the ride. As far as your thoughts and comments? We don’t really care what you think”.
    This meeting was merely window dressing to make people believe that the powers that be actually care about what you think. They don’t!
    So if you don’t like the way parts of So. Shore looks now, old run down houses in need of repair, empty commercial buildings with for lease signs in the window, some of them for years at a time, peeling paint and weeds growing out front… well Meyers, it’s coming your way.
    Sure Meyers has some vacant propertys now that could use some fixing, or in the case of Tvetens old place, complete removal, but wait till this plan is implemented. Buildings being thrown up only to be empty a short time later due to lack of business then left abandonded while the owner searches for a new tenant.
    Enjoy Meyers while you can because there’s a change a comin’…and it aint’ good!!! OLS

  2. J&B says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    OLS, you are right.

    “here’s the plan, we’re moving forward with it and you folks are just along for the ride. As far as your thoughts and comments? We don’t really care what you think”.
    This meeting was merely window dressing to make people believe that the powers that be actually care about what you think. They don’t!”

    After the last meeting on 2/26, Norma set out to “wrap this up” last night. It may be our community and we’ll be here for years to decades (unless we move when the crowds and massive buildings come to town), but sure, Norma, let’s wrap this up less than 2 months after most people just learned of it (and let’s keep avoiding the unpleasantness of talking about some of the biggest issues that will affect our community).

    It looks like there will not be any more Meyers Community meetings. You’ll be welcome to cram yourselves into an MCAC meeting if you can find out when it is. I love dogs and I love ponies but I don’t want their show at my community meeting.

    People of Meyers – keep paying attention to the details as long as you can possibly manage it.

  3. Dogula says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    So, after seeing this, as well the other things SLT officials have continued to do to the locals, WHY do you continue to believe that government is good, that it cares about our best interests??
    Please help me understand how you manage to have so much faith in this system?

  4. Log cabin says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    So…. They got “take public comments” checked off their list and now can move on to whatever it was they already had concluded? That is how each of the “public comment” meetings I have been to have gone. And other than a lawsuit (washoe meadows) or a petition for ballot item (parking meters) seems there is no way to have much of a say here. Sad.

  5. John Adamski says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Thanks Kae for the great write-up on the meeting !

    OLS, J&B – I think you’re both right in that the County and TRPA both feel they’re given it enough public process. Both agencies have an urgency and deadline to ram this through for additional round 3 grant funding from the Strategic Growth Council.
    And, they want to make this the role model for all the other area plans around the lake to follow by example.

    I cornered Brendan ( County) last night and made him agree to at least another two weeks of comment on the unresolved bulletin points from last night.
    So if any of you want to help refine the remaining undecided points from last night – here’s another chance. PLEASE EMAIL BRENDAN with your comments NOW ! [email protected]

    Otherwise – the show really isn’t over yet – this process continues with CEQA approval, ElDo Board of Supervisors approval, and eventually TRPA approval.
    The public can sit in and comment at any of these subsequent meetings as well.

  6. Observer says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    I know Meyers doesn’t want to be part of the City and that’s OK. But it’s unfortunate that they are therefore an unincorporated area of a county that has never cared about Tahoe – and that’s going to get worse. Years ago we had one and a half supervisorial districts and at least our votes counted a little because our property taxes were a substantial portion of the whole county. Now due to the huge growth on the west slope our single supervisorial district runs from Tahoe to Pollock Pines with the minority votes in Tahoe. Next election our supervisor may live in Pollock Pines. Meetings regarding Meyers will probably be held in Placerville where all other county meetings are held. Get what you can, now Meyers!

  7. Lee says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    My wife and I have attended several MCAC meetings and they all seem to be the same, the “committee” says what it wants to say but doesn’t seem to hear the community’s voice. Maybe the commitee doesn’t hear the community’s voice because there are so many voices trying to say the same thing (I care about my community) but sounding like a crowd which is more easily dismissed than an organized singular entity. I couldn’t help but think TRPA and EDC were outsiders coming to town to save us from ourselves.

    There’s been discussion about how the community members appointed to the committee were appointed and how they should be appointed in the future. I don’t want to comment on their performance either way as I don’t know what went on while the committee was out doing their thing. I don’t think I would want their job under the circumstances. But here’s a possible solution.

    Form a Community Services District (CSD) with a board elected by residents and advised (nonvoting) by a non-resident property owner and business owner group. When the CSD organizes, only take on those responsibilities necessary to give the community a formal identity and give the community local control. Don’t take on services like police and fire, roads and snow removal, or water and sewer; they’re already provided at a high level.

    I’m thinking that taking on Parks and Recreation and the MCAC might be sufficient.

    And we can take a vote whenever we want and can afford to take one.


  8. Chief Slowroller says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Dog what you do not understand is that it’s not the system it’s the People who run the system.

    Bad People vs Good People

    don’t forget the Loop Rd. is still going to happen.

    along with all the other Krap that they are going to do to our little Town

  9. Kenny Curtzwiler says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    JOE ERIK TVETEN is actually the correct spelling of Joe’s name who owned the property now known as Tweetens or Tveeten

  10. Arod says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    The meeting was a charade. Completely unorganized going from one bullet point to the next without forethought as to the logical order, We had to back up and attempt to resolve an issue before moving on to the next. The TRPA tells half truths as in the Catalyst project is dead but wording in the Plan still allows for that type of project to move forward. They state that there are only 27 accommodation units available in Meyers but what they fail to tell us is that the TRPA and the CTC have changed the rules and these TAU can be sold, traded, banked and consolidated to build larger projects. The most basic improvement and most important to Meyers is a stoplight to cross HWY 50 safely. They have yet to engage Caltrans to make this a reality. The MACA reps need to go. They have no backbone and do not represent the citizens of Meyers. All in all the meeting was a failure without a general consensus on how to move forward. I am afraid OLS is right, just lip service.

  11. Dogula says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Chief, you’re right, of course. But allowing government SO much control over so much ensures that bad people will always seek access. It’s too easy.

  12. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    The Meyers Community Plan meeting was very frustrating for me. It appears that it’s a forgone conclusion that this is already a done deal as the appointed agencies involved and our El Dorado county supervisor have this developement plan all wrapped up.
    The good people of Meyers and So. Shore will continue to fight…thru the courts if we have to, or has our judicial system been bought off to?
    Meyers residents, don’t let outside intrests destroy your community!!! Look what they’ve done within the city limits! Sure we’ve had some improvements, of which I’m very proud, but I would say it’s about a 50/50 deal as bad vs. good. Crumbeling roads, a field with fake grass that already is falling apart, a water system that needs major upgrades and on and on. There have been positives which are very good. El Dorado beach, sidewalks with overhead lighting, a couple of small parks… I just don’t want to see Meyers slide down that slippery slope of a few out of town developers, consultants and construction companys backed up by agencies, that were supposed to PROTECT Tahoe, to selling it off to the highest bidder. They come in build all this unwanted stuff and then they split, like crooks in the night leaving us with the mess and leaving town with our money. Be aware and take care, OLS

  13. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    LMAO! We (Meyers) don’t trust the gubment, so let’s select/elect some mo people that we don’t trust.

  14. go figure says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Theres good and bad people on both sides, but thats a forgone conclusion. Its also very subjective.

  15. Dogula says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Rock, are you beginning to understand?
    Elect nobody. Why should anybody have the power to decide who gets to build, who gets to prosper, how this town will look? Who gets to decide what you do with your property? Shouldn’t it be YOU? Why is some elected official (or worse yet, an appointed one) more qualified to make those determinations?
    Government has WAY too much power. It’s time to take some back.

  16. copper says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Geez Dog, who would have guessed that the Weathermen would be reincarnated in 2014? In South Lake Tahoe, of all places. I’m beginning to feel nostalgic reading your posts.

  17. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Observer’s speculation is 100% correct that the next elected EDC Supervisor representing SLT and Meyers will be a Pollock Pines resident. The 6-candidates running for our District 5 County Supervisor seat are Ken Curtzwiler, Angela Swanson, Gerri Grego, Sue Novasel, Teresa Piper and Kevin Brown, with 4 of those 6 candidates, or 2/3 of them being from SLT. SLT’s votes will now be split between at least4 candidates while Pollock Pines will only be split between 2 candidates. Added to that is a high percentage of retired transplants to Pollock Pines with that demographics high incidence of registered voting and it’s a done deal that one of the two Pollock Pines candidates will be the next EDC District 5 Supervisor. SLT and Meyers only chance to get representation elected from our area is for those local candidates to withdraw who are so obviously unqualified to serve as a Supervisor or to reasonably expect to be elected. Do the math folks–this isn’t just a Meyers issue it’s a whole South Shore issue, and the South Shore is going to get hung out to dry unless some local people put their community before their egos and withdraw their candidacy from this election.

  18. Kenny Curtzwiler says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Report of Registration as of December 31, 2013
    Registration by County Supervisorial District

    El Dorado
    County Supervisorial 1 22,088 5,684 10,966 688 0

    County Supervisorial 2 22,419 6,050 10,594 939 3

    County Supervisorial 3 21,464 6,599 9,145 881 0

    County Supervisorial 4 23,448 6,305 11,174 913 1

    County Supervisorial 5 (Total 17,340) (D-6,328) (R-4,794) (AI-765)

    Pollock Pines had 3627 registered voters as of the 2010 census
    City of South Lake Tahoe had 10,298 as of the 2010 census
    Meyers and the rest have approx 3,415 as of the 2010 census

  19. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Dog. So, were is there a better zip code to go to on this planet? You constantly complain about the gubment, but offer no real alternative and you keep sleeping under the umbrella this gubment provides? Interesting. But, we both know you will never answer my question anyway… answers are not really your thing.

  20. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 20, 2014

    Umm, Old skiis. Are you talking about the past or future? Meyers is already developed; highways, golf, houses, gas stations, boarded up buildings, a major river turned into a glorified ditch etc. What is your vision of Meyers?

  21. Dogula says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Nope, Rock, at this point there probably isn’t. But if we adhered to the founding principles of THIS country, instead of allowing our noble leaders to change it into a socialist paradise as they’re attempting to do, it would be a MUCH more satisfactory place. And some of us are trying to remind people that this country was founded on principles of liberty and law. We have very little liberty anymore, and the law appears to exist at the whim of politicians nowadays. Much like the banana republics of the 3rd world.
    @ Copper: no, no weatherman here. I adhere to the NAP. Non-Aggression Principle. We don’t blow up those we disagree with (unlike some of the President’s advisors) but we DO maintain our right to self defense.

  22. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    rock4tahoe,Thanks for asking! Heres my vision for Meyers. Lets tackle the worst first, Joe Tvetens old place. Demolish the building and secure funding for cleaning up the soil which I’m sure is pretty foul. In it’s place put up an information center / rest stop, complete with maps of the area, brochures from local businesses and events that are happening all around the lake. Have coffee available for the road weary visitors and as someone here suggested, bottled Tahoe tap water. As this is the first thing you see as you come down Echo, it should be a visualy appealing building. A log cabin or something with a rustic, good “Old Tahoe” feel to it. There ‘s plenty of room there for parking and I would also add a dog park as so many people travel with their dogs and fido wants out of that car to! I would also like to have some locals working at the new center that give people information and a little history about our beautiful area.
    A friend of mine had this idea of putting in a road from Tveten’s old place to Tahoe Paradise park. He tells me that CalTrans owns alot of the property back there. Good idea Ric! That way people can get out of the car stretch there legs as they sit by Lake Baron, sip some Tahoe water and look over the brochures and the map they picked up at the info center. Then they can head into town refreshed and ready to enjoy their stay here.
    Thats how I would like to see people welcomed to Tahoe! Next up is what to do with the Alpaca Pete’s building. I’ll save that for my next installment as I’ve gone on too long already.
    By the way I don’t charge a consulting fee!!!
    Again, thanks for asking about my vision for Meyers rock4tahoe. Till next time, Old Long Skiis

  23. Dogula says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    I have a question: Does the Tveten property have ‘toxic waste’ issues? Old gas tanks, oil-polluted ground? That could be the reason it’s been lying there decaying for so long. It costs a bloody fortune to clean up to the EPA’s standards, which means nobody wants to purchase it. That’s an issue with the muffler shop across the street from Meek’s in town; which is why the owner will likely never be able to sell it or do anything with that property, either. Government regulations. Since government has an unlimited supply of money, they see no problem requiring private citizens to spend horrendous amounts to comply. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work out.

  24. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Mr. Curtzwiler:

    I think it’s folly to use as statistical indicators census data information that is now more than 4-years old and will be 4-years and 11-months old at the time of the election. I believe such information could be considered outdated and I would further speculate that the population in SLT since 2010 has likely declined due to the economic effects of the recent recession. I would also hypothesize that Bay Area baby boomers looking to retire away from the congestion of the Bay Area while stretching their retirement dollars but remaining in close proximity to that area now comprise a very large component part of transplants to Pollock Pines.

    Since anyone can publish anything on a website it is customary when referencing data from the internet to post the web address from where said information was taken so the reader can perform their own verification of reliability and data integrity. Unfortunately the numerical references to Registration by County Supervisorial District are unclear in their source and in their meaning thus I am unable to judiciously comment on those. Also, what exact area does “Meyers and the rest” include?

    Welcome to politics and the need to provide specificity.

  25. Justice says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    The question really is how to take decisions from several government entities and make them more local with actual residents making the decisions and not a TRPA board or the BOS in Placerville. The idea of forming a CSD sounds like a fair idea along with redrawing a new county BOS district for the west slope to have and one for the lake areas of the county. For now the term limits for the BOS have worked as they were designed, two terms and time for someone new, in this case it is past time. People are correct to try and slow down the process of rushing this new planning for Meyers through and reading the plans and finding out what the agencies are trying to do and trying to allow to come in and people should act to change it before implementation, there might be some trips to the BOS at this point as it is in progress now and they will put it up for public comment, that will be the time to travel down the hill and make a difference.

  26. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Dogula & Justice, Dogula, long before Joe Tveten bought or inherited the property it was a gas station owned by Joe’s father. Back then there was no EPA or anyone testing for old underground leaking fuel tanks. So I would imagine the soil is pretty bad and given the proximity to the Truckee River this should be a high priority environumental issue along with a full clean up of this property.Then we can work from there as what to do with Joe’s old place. I have my own ideas as I stated here earlier.
    Justice I agree that the MCAC should be replaced with local tahoe residents and Not appointed by the Board of supervisors based in Placerville.
    I have nothing against P’ville, I just think the people who live and work here should decide whats best for the present and the future of our community. We live here so let US take care of it!
    Pass the word, So. Lake Tahoe is waking up and taking action! We wil not be bullied by outside interests any more!!! Old Long Skiis ([email protected])

  27. Jared Manninen says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    The comments about the TRPA, El Dorado County, etc… trying to rush the Meyers Area Plan through without input from the community have more to do with perception than reality. The recent revelation of the One Globe/Catalyst project (that is now a moot point because it’s dead) seems to have woken up the community regarding the status of the Meyers Area Plan. It’s great that the citizens are taking an active role in this process. However, the fact is that this plan is two years in the making. When the TRPA was working on the 2012 Regional Plan update, members of the Meyers community approached the TRPA about creating a unique plan for Meyers (because it hadn’t been updated since 1993). This led to the formation of the Meyers Community Advisory Council (MCAC). Since then, the MCAC has gathered information and provided the recommendations for the Meyers Area Plan. It’s unfortunate if you never got the memo regarding the times and dates of the MCAC round-table discussions, but they have been going on for nearly two years. And again, the TRPA may have written the actual plan that’s currently being discussed, but it’s all based on the recommendations of the MCAC (i.e. Meyers residents).

    At the February 26th meeting in Meyers there were complaints about taxpayer waste regarding this plan. How ironic that there are so many complaints about the costs associated with this plan, yet people want the process to slow down, further increasing the costs to taxpayers. I believe it was stated (by either Adam L. from TRPA or Norma S. from El Dorado County) the total costs associated with the creation of this plan were estimated to be approximately $100,000. Is that amount, spread over two years and among a number of employees, really a lot considering this plan would potentially be implemented for the next 20 years?

    There are, and have been, numerous complaints about the Tveeten property, and why the government isn’t doing anything about it. I agree that something should be done about the land and the derelict gas station. It’s an eyesore and no one likes to see it. However, this is another curious paradox. People want the government to do something about the place, but it’s private property—just like Runnel’s station at the Y. So, people want the government to step in and claim imminent domain over private property? At the February 26th meeting, Norma stated that El Dorado County has filed every piece of paperwork to do something about the property. But, the bottom line is that it’s private property. Apparently, it has been cleaned up because that (hazmat) is something the government can address and enforce regarding private property. From what I understand, it’s in some nasty real-estate related limbo, but essentially it’s just waiting for a buyer.

  28. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Dog. I agree with you… THERE IS NO BETTER ZIP CODE TO MOVE TO! The founding “principles” of this country included legalized slavery in the Constitution; the notorious 3/5th’s compromise. Slavery was a co-operative mechanism to manage the economy of the American 1700′s and thus it was Social Engineering 101 aka to you as Socialism. Thanks for playing Dog.

  29. Dogula says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Hmmm. I’ve read the Constitution a time or two. Where does it specifically legalize slavery?
    Actually, my ancestors came over in the 1600′s as slaves. But back then, slavery wasn’t a life sentence.

  30. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Old Skiis. Demolish Tveten Town, build a log cabin, a road to Lake Baron, a dog park and offer a cup of coffee? That’s your vision of Meyers in the 21st Century? I think that is very weak tea.

    I suggest a field trip. Go out to Lake Baron Park and take a look at the condition of the Baseball field out there (it is a bit hard to make out). Take notes of the diamond, the field, the bleachers, the score boards (yes they are still there), electrical and just the general conditions of the facility. Then, take another field trip to the Baseball field on Rufus Allen in town.

    This field trip might give you an idea of “what” is wrong with the Meyers development project from the 1950′s.

  31. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Dog. Read Article 1, Section 2, paragraph 3 and note “those bound to service” and “other persons.” Remember, service from Latin means to serve as in to be a slave. Then read the Dred Scott versus Sandford decision. Thanks for asking.

  32. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    rock4tahoe, You asked for my vision of the future of Meyers and I wrote about what was my own ideas as well as others…family, friends and neighbors.
    I don’t feel like my or or my friends ideas are weak tea as you call it, but then everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    I’m curious as to what your suggestions are to improving the great community of Meyers?
    My ideas are just that , “ideas”. Maybe there are better ones out there. I figure it dosen’t hurt to try. Can’t blame me for tryin’…or In your case, I guess you can. Got any ideas of your own, my friend?
    Right about now I was planning to speak out about what else can be done with some of the empty buildings out in Meyers but I guess I’ll save that for another time.
    Thanks, OLS


  33. Dogula says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    I’m not sure what your point is; Article 1, Section 2, paragraph 3 is about how to determine Representation. It doesn’t approve nor condemn slavery. And Dredd Scott is a Supreme Court decision, something entirely different. The Supremes have made some heinous decisions in the history of this country. Like, their decision that obamacare is Constitutionally acceptable.
    But this isn’t really the forum for all that, as interesting as the conversation is.

  34. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Dog. You don’t know what the point of the 3/5′s rule is? Really? Do the math! How can a person of the United States be considered 3/5′s of a person? Lookup American Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment. Everyone else has figured it out, it isn’t rocket, climate or nuclear Science Dog.

  35. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    OLS. Absolutely. I have given you my ideas before. Recap. Demolish or rebuild Little Norway. Demolish Tweten Town. Demolish everything 100 yards east and west of the Upper Truckee river starting out by Big Meadows fork. Demolish the Airport. Build real bridges over the Upper Truckee at the chain checkpoint, Sawmill and Outdoorsman aka Grocery Outlet. Get rid of Lake Tahoe Country club. Get rid of the most of the Tahoe Keys development. Get rid of the junk yards out by the Airport. Try to restore the old course of the Upper Truckee river. Build a small control dam near the fork of Upper Truckee and Big Meadow to control water release for the river and river rafting. Build the tunnel under Echo Lake and make 50 a year round highway. Build a gondola from Meyers to the old Echo Ski Resort then to Sierra. Build a parking “structure” for said gondola. Continue the bike path to over Luther Pass, under Echo and beyond. Show some real interest in Lake Baron and rebuild the Baseball field away from the river. Build a privacy retaining wall in front of KOA Campground to keep the highway noise down. Come up with some CC&R’s for Meyers so that when someone wants to build something they have an idea of what “Meyers” wants it to look like.

  36. Dogula says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Regardless, slavery WAS abolished 150 years ago. Does the fact that it existed negate all the other good that the founding fathers did? We are supposed to ALL be free men now. Why do you want to enslave us to our government?

  37. cosa pescado says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    And Citizens United.

  38. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Dog. Regardless? Yes, Slavery does negate a great deal of what was done by the Legislators/Government in the 1780′s. We ended up fighting our bloodiest War over the seeds that were sewn in the 3/5ths compromise. Countless lives were ruined for multiple generations by that mistake. And to some degree, Slavery still haunts our Country to this day.

    I challenge your comment about our Government enslaving people. I say Corporations enslave way more people now then our Government. Research what is being done in Asia for our corporate stock holders in the name of labor cost cutting; it is shocking. Then look to see how the same corporation expect humans to live in such filth and squalor while they are working for miniscule wages. It looks, walks and smells like slavery to me.

  39. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    OLS. PS don’t forget about the “baseball field” trip to Paradise Park/Lake Baron then SLT; I think it is a real eye opener.

  40. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Jared. Thanks for your input.

  41. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    rock4tahoe, Wow! Yes those are some good ideas, some perhaps a bit undoable or impossible but good ideas nonetheless. I’ve wanted to get rid of the keys for years and return it to its natural state.
    I think you and I should become consultants and get the big bucks for our ideas.
    The “baseball field”/trip to lake baron paradise park and SLT? I’m not sure what your refering to but the other stuff is well? Interesting. Thanks for your thoughts.
    Take care, OLS

  42. J&B says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    Regardless of how you feel about government, the big point here is we, Meyers, have a chance to have a say in our plan. But it’s shrinking quickly. We can speculate about why later, perhaps. For now – best to speak up for what we want, including more time. Norma said they will make changes from our input, yet they will not hold another community meeting for us to discuss them? Perhaps we can show up at the firehouse every night for the next two weeks and hope we catch the next MCAC meeting?

    Yes, it is unfortunate that two years of time were wasted with meetings that were rarely noticed to the public, that MCAC members were apparently not encouraged by TRPA and EDC to be true “liaisons” (as proclaimed in the recent grant application) because if they had, how is it that most people in and around Meyers had NO idea this was even going on? Now we find out, but instead of getting more time to openly discuss our ideas somewhere other than on LTN (nothing against ya, Kae), it’s being crammed down our throats.

    If we really get to decide as Norma promised, then the agencies need to give us the TIME and clear information we need to decide ON OUR OWN, and stop muddying the waters.

  43. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    So J&B. What CC&R’s do you want for Meyers? Or do you just want to waste another 20 years thinking it over?

  44. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 21, 2014

    OLS. My point with the Baseball field at the Park is that it is an absolute wreak; it is the worst baseball field I have ever seen. Little Norway, Tveten town, the baseball field, the damage done to the Upper Truckee are just the results of the do nothing attitude. It takes more then lip service to actually make something better and the baseball field at Paradise Park is a prime example of the neglect the Meyers community has had for it’s “assets” as the decades roll forever on.

  45. Pine Tree says - Posted: March 24, 2014

    Some history…
    -Tweeten property is owned by the same person that owns “several” gas stations in town. He acquired it when his dying relative who purchased it from Tweetens mother quick claim deeded it over to him on his death bed. The expensive MTBE clean up Lahanton “improperly” tied the leins to the owner who died, NOT to the property. Therefor you and I the tax payers paid for the clean up! The owner is patiently waiting to turn it into another gas station, or sell it for his desired price.
    -El Dorado county tax payers have also paid over $100000. in traffic studies for Cal Trans in Meyers over the last 10 years and a stop light was not found warranted.
    -There was a public meeting at Lake Valley Fire where the MCAC members were nominated and voted in by the public. The hired meeting facilitator focused on encouraging nominations of persons who lived in Meyers and had the TIME to Dedicate the last two years to the Meyers plan. 3 Meyers family members, 3 recreational enthusiasts and 2 Meyers business members.

  46. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 26, 2014

    Pine. It appears that the “real” Meyers wants to keep the status quo.

  47. Jared Manninen says - Posted: March 27, 2014

    Pine, thanks for the more detailed info.

    Rock, thanks for the positive feedback.

  48. Kevin Brown says - Posted: March 28, 2014

    4-mer-usmc, I would like to say that if I am elected to represent the 5th District you will not be hung out to dry. Please go to my website and see the many organizations I have served on. Feel free to check those references to see that I always put those I serve first. My father served this Country for 24 years in the US Navy, retired as a LTCMDR and taught me about service. My dedication to be present and represent unconditionally would not even be a question if you gave me the chance to meet and talk with you. you can email me through my website and I will respond and meet with anyone. As a Scout Leader I told all my scouts to always respect and thank a Veteran or any member of our Military. My Father passed away before I could truly understand what it meant to me that he gave so much of himself for our freedom. So 4-mer-usmc I thank you!
    As far as Meyers. I support more self determination for the residents. If it is Truly “Your Plan”, as it has been referred to, then more public meetings and participation are the right way to go. I absolutely would support a CSD. The easiest way to form one is by a resolution passed by the Board. As your supervisor I would spearhead such a resolution.. I would prefer to continue this and all other conversations in person. I am happy to meet, just email me contact info. Thank you and have a great day.

  49. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 29, 2014

    Kevin. Sorry, but the “self determination” as you call it is status quo. Residence in Meyers don’t know what they want and agree on nothing, except to do nothing. So, thanks for the Meyers Landfil, Tveten Town, Little Norway, Junk Yards, a dilapidated baseball field and a ruined eco system aka Upper Truckee River drainage; all of which have been left for self determination for decades.

  50. Arod says - Posted: March 29, 2014

    Rocks in your head, Do not blame Meyers residents for the landfill. That was back in the days of no regulations and the county promoted it. The other parcels you mentioned are private property. The park is run by Tahoe Paradise Resort Improvement District, a county entity. Placerville calls the shots. As for the river, thank the State Parks for the golf course.
    As Meyers residents we had very little impact on any of the decisions made in the past.
    We absolutely know what we want and do not want. A street light to cross HWY 50 safely some landscaping and no tall building obstructing our magnificent mountain views. Do you live in Meyers or just offering your unsolicited “opinions”?

  51. rock4tahoe says - Posted: March 29, 2014

    Name calling AROD? Really? Back at you.

    Why has nothing been done with the existing Meyers plan since 1993? Meyers residence did volunteer to work on the plan when they actually put their plan in public, they had rocks thrown at them. It is all in your backyard and what are you going to do about it… exactly?

    Nothing seems to be the default from what I see after decades of neglect. And for the record, I have tried to clean up the baseball field a couple of times, but when I come back it is same ol same ol.